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MAJ. GEN. AHLUWALIA: It takes years to develop those
contacts, it's an expensive habit to develop those contacts.
It's because of a contact that he and I have over the years,
that I am divulging some information.
TEHELKA: Yes.
MAJ. GEN. AHLUWALIA: If it was yesterday's contact
with, then why should I divulge you? If then your only way
is by offering me an inducement, then it has to be a...the
value of that inducement has to be appropriate. So, therefore,
those chaps who are in the business of developing contacts,
they were developing it for years. Before that, before they
come and meet you, and it is that time when you don't need,
when you are not asking me for anything, when you are not
asking that General for Choudary...that you call him for dinner,
that's the time he attends, but the result of it is, he is
sitting in his place, that you tell the benefit of it is coming,
not directly.
MAJ. GEN. AHLUWALIA: But this thermal imager also as
I know. It isn't getting order. I will let you know. Give
me about a week's time. I will move to Bangalore now...tomorrow
and from there I am off to Hyderabad. I will let you know
in a week's time. Okay?
[Ahluwalia gets up and stands and moves a bit.]
MAJ. GEN. AHLUWALIA: Okay.
LT.COL SAYAL: Small gift.
[Sayal goes near Ahluwalia and tries to hand him Rs. 50,000,
which he accepts later.]
MAJ. GEN. AHLUWALIA: This is, this is... Sayal please.
Don't be…
LT COL SAYAL: Okay, later. Then…
MAJ. GEN. AHLUWALIA: Okay.
TEHELKA: Sir, I can move.
MAJ. GEN. AHLUWALIA: Sorry, yes, I will.
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By this time, we had been introduced to Major General
S.P. Murgai (of the DGQA) by Colonel Sayal. General Murgai
had still sometime to go to his retirement and was on
leave. He explains how the procurement process goes in
the Indian Army, he promises to arrange meetings with
MGO Lt. General Dhillon, the personal secretary of Minister
of State Harin Pathak and others. |
MAJOR GENERAL S.P MURGAI: On that short-listing then
they go in for new commercial bids. Okay? Now there you can….
So this is what is going to be done. At this stage of time,
money doesn't play the role here. Because whether it is MGO
or whether it is Defence Secretary…. Let me tell you one thing,
because I have been dealing on day-to-day basis. They play
no role at this point of time, because it is the users who
have to indicate their preference.
LT. COL. SAYAL: Sir.
MAJ. GEN. MURGAI: They have to say that…this is the
item, which is more suitable to us, after it has gone through
the field trials. As far as the technical evaluation is concerned,
it is only going to be to check conforms to specifications;
as per the specifications laid down or as per the manufacturers'
specifications. Once the company is short-listed…okay? That
is the time when some influence can be exercised.
LT. COL. SAYAL: Sir.
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TEHELKA: Before short-listing, you have to meet these
people?
MAJ. GEN. MURGAI: Which people?
TEHELKA: Sir. One is the MGO. You have to meet these
people - MGO and PPO and DGQA.
MAJ. GEN. MURGAI: See, it is like this, at the moment
DGQA doesn't….
TEHELKA: Okay, he told me DGQA is over.
MAJ. GEN. MURGAI: Hmm?
TEHELKA: That is not necessary now. But two people
are important.
MAJ. GEN. MURGAI: See, at the moment DGQA is not in
picture, na?
MAJ. GEN. MURGAI: Don't go and knock at the wrong door.
LT.COL. SAYAL: No, I am…he straight away contacted me.
MAJ. GEN. MURGAI: Because he is not in the picture.
They have not received the sample, then where is the question
of technical?
MAJ. GEN. MURGAI: Now as far as the MGO is concerned,
let me tell you one thing. On 27th he is going abroad. His
son is in America. He is going for one-month leave.
TEHELKA: Okay.
MAJ. GEN. MURGAI: He is going for one-month leave.
TEHELKA: Before we can?
MAJ. GEN. MURGAI: For one month he will be out. He
will be leaving on the 27th. He is here till Diwali, because
he wants Diwali gifts. Only a fool can go before that. Okay?
He is going on the 27th, on his private visit. Fine? That's
what it is. As far Deputy MGO is concerned, let me also give
another input. He is already…he is waiting to move out. I
think by end of November or 1st week of December, he should
be going as a… LT. COL. SAYAL: Okay sir, MGO is also
retiring in April.
MAJ. GEN. MURGAI: In end of March. See point is, you
get some more information. The point is very clear. When,
let us say, I approach…let us say, on your behalf, he may
talk to me.
TEHELKA: Okay.
MAJ. GEN. MURGAI: He may talk to MGO. What do I tell
him, "Sir, take this?"
TEHELKA: Hmm.
MAJ. GEN. MURGAI: Okay? On what basis? So, what I mean
is let little…more through your contact, you have to get the
information, what exactly is the present position of file.
TEHELKA: Hmm.
MAJ. GEN. MURGAI: Okay. That means the request of proposal
which have come, they must be considering that.
LT. COL. SAYAL: That's right, sir.
MAJ. GEN. MURGAI: So if some eliminations they have
done, something they must have analysed, that this is available,
and this is not. If that analysis is done, then what is their
analysis regarding you?
MAJ. GEN. MURGAI: You understand?
TEHELKA: I got it, it got it. I can follow that.
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TEHELKA: We submitted Ranjit Issar.
MAJ. GEN. MURGAI: Hmm?
TEHELKA: IAS. Ranjit Issar, Joint Secretary, Ordnance.
Procurement.
MAJ. GEN. MURGAI: Now, if you are wanting to meet MGO,
I can arrange a meeting. That's all. And then you can talk
whatever you like. That can be done. Okay? So that's all for….
LT. COL. SAYAL: You can arrange wherever you like.
MAJ. GEN. MURGAI: His office.
LT. COL. SAYAL: Whichever is the place. It will be
difficult in the office.
MAJ. GEN. MURGAI: Everythying is possible.
LT. COL. SAYAL: No, otherwise we have to take care.
Take care, I mean…
MAJ. GEN. MURGAI: He'll inform himself.
LT. COL. SAYAL: He'll inform himself?
MAJ. GEN. MURGAI: Who else do you want to meet? PPO?
LT. COL. SAYAL: PPO and MGO.
TEHELKA: And Maj. Gen. P.S.K. Choudary, Additional
Director General, Weapons and Equipments.
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