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R.K. GUPTA: Our national treasurer is here, Ved Prakash Goyal…
PANT: Ved Prakash Goyal…

R.K. GUPTA (continuing): …said whatever work is there, get it done through him.
PANT: Hmm.

R.K. GUPTA: If you want money, then tell him so.
PANT: They should do…their work. Then they should do it like that.

R.K. GUPTA: You have to give letter.
PANT: If BANGARU LAXMAN can get it done, then nothing like it.

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R.K. GUPTA: This minister is a fool. BANGARU LAXMAN is a useless fool.
PANT: Yes.

R.K. GUPTA: …You tell him this, this work has to be done.
PANT: If Bangaru tells him…

R.K. GUPTA: To whom?
PANT: Who should we ask to do the work?

R.K. GUPTA: We should tell Bangaru that Brajesh Mishra should order from Defence Ministry.
PANT [turning to address TEHELKA]: Brajesh Mishra, principal advisor to PM, he will order the George Fernandes, Defence Minister, or recommend some of this.

TEHELKA (interrupts): We are…
PANT & R.K. GUPTA: (together) Defence Secretary.
TEHELKA: Sir, we are ready to give the party fund also, no problem. The token also.

R.K. GUPTA: No, no. What is the total cost of the project?
TEHELKA: Sir, total cost of the project is a big one.

R.K. GUPTA: How much?
TEHELKA: Now we are expecting…we will get around 40 crores or 50 crores. Small lot.

R.K. GUPTA: How much is the commission given to the party?
TEHELKA: Tell me, sir….

TEHELKA: I…I will tell you, sir, that nowadays for the binoculars…in the hand-held…

R.K. GUPTA (interrupts): I got some order for Russians?
TEHELKA: Hmm.

R.K. GUPTA: They give 12 to 15 per cent.
TEHELKA: Yeah.

R.K. GUPTA: But they take back 50 per cent themselves. The rest is given. Out of that, users, they take one per cent…
TEHELKA: They take two per cent.

R.K. GUPTA: Users?
TEHELKA: Yeah.

R.K. GUPTA: Okay. They will take two per cent. I have given only one.
TEHELKA: Yeah.

R.K. GUPTA: And the Defence Secretary will take…
TEHELKA: One per cent.

R.K. GUPTA: One…one-and-a-half per cent. He'll settle with one.
TEHELKA: Yeah.

R.K. GUPTA: Plus there are other…
TEHELKA: …bureaucrats…

R.K. GUPTA: …bureaucrats. Joint secretaries, all the others…from where we have to start.
TEHELKA: Yeah.

R.K. GUPTA: I'll get it done for quick.

R.K GUPTA: No problem. First Bangaru will speak to him, I will…speak to …plus we'll also bridge them. Party fund will be at least two-three per cent.

TEHELKA: Okay. Ready to give. No problem.

R.K. GUPTA: I'll get it done. My job.
TEHELKA: Ready to give. No problem.

[Pause]

R.K. GUPTA (pointing to PANT): He's like our younger brother. Whatever he orders, it will be done. Because our relations are not from today. When Mr. Tewari was Finance Minister, since then we know him.
PANT: My son from the US just came.
TEHELKA: Yeah, yeah.

R.K. GUPTA: This my…son won't handle…I will handle personally. Myself.
TEHELKA: Sir, Ranjan also…Mr. Ranjan Bhattacharya….

R.K. GUPTA: But he has been asked to keep off.
TEHELKA: Okay.

R.K. GUPTA: In one deal…I killed Ranjan and Brajesh Mishra both. Got through directly. PM blasted him.

[Pause]

R.K. GUPTA: There are ways to do things. First we will make a plan. Your order is ready?
TEHELKA: Yeah, everything is ready.

R.K. GUPTA: There we're wanting some political…?
TEHELKA: Sir, if a political pressure will be there. So, already, sir, they've short-listed. Sir, and there is a big kickback…is going in the users' side and bureaucratic…

R.K. GUPTA: No, no, just listen. If Brajesh Mishra tells the Defence Secretary, "It has to be done," the Defence Secretary's the last word… [gestures]
TEHELKA: Yeah, exactly.

[Pant and Gupta talk in inaudible tone]

R.K. GUPTA: This Yogesh Narain I went to…
PANT: Haan, Yogesh Narain…

R.K. GUPTA: So that…I…Yogesh Narain, I will get it spoken to by the PM.
TEHELKA: Okay.

R.K. GUPTA: Not PM himself. Brajesh Mishra is PM. After that I'll talk to Yogesh myself. I know him very well. He will want that somebody should tell him. Okay? Then I'll tell BANGARU LAXMAN…
TEHELKA: Hmm.

R.K. GUPTA: That "Sir, this is a 40 crores worth order. Out of this party will… How many crores will it get?"
TEHELKA: Three per cent. That's very clear.

R.K. GUPTA: Not like this. Give one crore, two crore…don't give them percentage.
TEHELKA: Three per cent.

R.K. GUPTA: They are not bothered about percentage.
TEHELKA: Haan.

R.K. GUPTA: They are bothered about "what we'll get", money!
TEHELKA: Okay.