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JAYA JAITLY (continuing): …We need some help because he said, "Look, I can do 50 per cent expense. You do the rest."
[Tehelka laughs loudly]

JAYA JAITLY (continuing): So the rest…whatever contribution…
TEHELKA: Yeah, yeah…

JAYA JAITLY (continuing): …We can manage.
TEHELKA: We need your blessing and…(laughs). We need your blessing also for this…our company.

MAJ. GEN. MURGAI: This company is making quality products…

[Jaya Jaitly nods]

MAJ. GEN. MURGAI: And now they are going in a big way for commercial selling. And also make a mark in Defence.
JAYA JAITLY: Hmm.

MAJ.GEN. MURGAI: That is what they're doing. And they are making these night-vision binoculars, cameras….

JAYA JAITLY: Naturally, probably as far as I know because I don't know much about these things, but you all have to…whenever some new entry into…entrant into the field, they have to test the things.
MAJ. GEN. MURGAI: That's right.

JAYA JAITLY (continuing): …and all that.
MAJ. GEN. MURGAI: So for that testing, a request has been made….

JAYA JAITLY: Hmm.
MAJ. GEN. MURGAI: That we would like to give…and…our item should be tested. Generally what happens is that lot of requests keep on coming. So we want that at least…ours being a proper company….

JAYA JAITLY: Eventually they go on quality and price.
MAJ. GEN. MURGAI: That's right. But initially they have to short-list.
JAYA JAITLY: Hmm.

JAYA JAITLY: If there's any way…if they are refusing to test it, that's…then we can step into the picture. In normal course, they would be…
SURENDRA SULEKHA: They should be…

JAYA JAITLY (continuing): If they are impressed with either the price or the look or whatever, there has to be something which would attract their attention.
TEHELKA: Yeah.

JAYA JAITLY: …towards it.

MAJ. GEN. MURGAI: So somewhere the…if they don't, then probably your help may be required.
JAYA JAITLY: Yeah.

MAJ. GEN. MURGAI: …at least test the equipment.
JAYA JAITLY: Yeah, if they don't, we can always say, "Look you mustn't treat anybody unfairly. Give everybody a chance."

TEHELKA: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
JAYA JAITLY: That's right. If there is any unfair practice, we can step in.
MAJ. GEN. MURGAI: Yeah, that's right. That's right.

SURENDRA SULEKHA: Where is the justice? Here is the only justice.
TEHELKA: Yeah, yeah.

SURENDRA SULEKHA (continuing): Absolute justice is done….
JAYA JAITLY: Because if we…if we try to favour anybody particularly, specially when we don't know a thing, then we maybe doing injustice to somebody else.

TEHELKA: Yeah.
JAYA JAITLY: But if we say, "Look, don't do injustice to anybody…." And if somebody is being unfairly treated, not being called….

TEHELKA: Okay.
JAYA JAITLY (continuing): …somebody else is being favoured and you're not even being asked….

TEHELKA: Okay.
JAYA JAITLY (continuing): … then we'll say, "Look…you please do…because then there's…it's in our interest…."

TEHELKA: Okay.
JAYA JAITLY: …it's in national interest to consider all."

TEHELKA: Okay.
JAYA JAITLY: "You then take the best, which is at the best price."

SURENDRA SULEKHA: Okay.
JAYA JAITLY: So if any…that whole thing is going wrong, then we can step in if need be.

TEHELKA: No, we need that, at this stage we need that. Two companies, they are…they are not allowing the third company to the picture.
MAJ.GEN. MURGAI: That's right.

JAYA JAITLY: No, why should they not?
[Some crosstalk]

SURENDRA SULEKHA: First…whether they do or not, then we will see...
JAYA JAITLY: First you'd be…you'd be applying. Then you'll naturally grab an opportunity to ask them, "Look, now I have applied. Are you going to respond to me at all or not?" If they say, "No, no", "we can't", "we don't know", "we'll let you know", and they don't sound very convincing, then we'll see.
SURENDRA SULEKHA: Then we'll see.

JAYA JAITLY: But otherwise…after all when somebody applies, they can't just say, "We'll see." You know….
TEHELKA: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

JAYA JAITLY: If they say, "Yes, certainly we'll consider your thing and get back to you by such and such a time…."
TEHELKA: Okay.

JAYA JAITLY: If they do that…I really don't know how they function at all.
SURENDRA SULEKHA: First, you have to apply, then you have to wait for the response.

TEHELKA: That already…that process is over right now.
SURENDRA SULEKHA: We'll have to wait the response. Then I...in case…

JAYA JAITLY: After a reasonable time you can chat with them and say…send them a reminder. And then if they don't, we can ask.
TEHELKA: Okay.

MAJ. GEN. MURGAI (addressing Tehelka): You see, sometimes, as Madam has very rightly brought out, things are moving in right direction.
TEHELKA: Okay.

JAYA JAITLY: And also, you know what it is. I have no…I will not have any direct this thing. I would only request Sahib's office that somebody is not being considered even. So please send a word down that if anybody is fairly offering a good quality thing at a good price, they should also be considered.
TEHELKA: Okay.

JAYA JAITLY: Now…when that happens, we don't want anybody to feel that anybody has any extra interest.
MAJ. GEN. MURGAI: That's true.

JAYA JAITLY: Because we don't have any extra interest in anybody. We have extra interest in the good quality and good price.
SURENDRA SULEKHA: That's right.