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R.K. JAIN: George won't take money. He won't take money.
TEHELKA: Haan?

R.K. JAIN: George is not like…Yashwant Sinha takes money openly.
TEHELKA: Haan?

R.K. JAIN: Yashwant Sinha takes money.
TEHELKA: Haan.

R.K. JAIN: George doesn't take money.
TEHELKA: His image…yeah, yeah… very socialist background and everything all that?
R.K. JAIN: It's not easy to give money to George.
TEHELKA: Hmm.

R.K. JAIN: I told you that day also.
TEHELKA: Yeah, yeah, you told me the same.

R.K. JAIN: He does limited work and he's not very keen of having commission and all.
TEHELKA: But Yashwant Sinha will take money?

R.K. JAIN: Haan?
TEHELKA: Yashwant Sinha?
R.K. JAIN: Haan. Yashwant Sinha takes money. Digvijay Singh takes money. Sharad Yadav takes money. PASWAN takes money.

TEHELKA: If I will give you.
R.K. JAIN: Yeah.

TEHELKA: You done any big work too?
R.K. JAIN: Yeah, yeah. I got loan. Just by chance I told you that day, I got loan from Yashwant Sinha to one of my brothers. 30 crores, just I think it has to be opened now within four-five days.

TEHELKA: Okay.
R.K. JAIN: I got... Yashwant Sinha have very good… terms and conditions with one of my colleague MP.

TEHELKA: Okay, Okay.
R.K. JAIN: He will... he's a BJP MP.

TEHELKA: What is his name?
R.K. JAIN: He's Rudi.

TEHELKA: Okay. Which State? Bihar?
R.K. JAIN: Yeah. There are numbers… that's what I... you know...

TEHELKA: Sir, in 30 crores slot how much you paid?
R.K. JAIN: Haan?

TEHELKA: To Yashwant Sinha?
R.K. JAIN: What this... getting this know… this was my own group. One of my company having a joint collaboration with an Italian company.

TEHELKA: Okay, Okay.
R.K. JAIN: Sorry Korean company. The plant is in Surat. All the machinery was given by the plant people.

TEHELKA: Hmmm.
R.K. JAIN: And here we do the operations. We have expanded on it. That is why, whatever we had to give... our MP was there at the time. Still I paid him 50 lakhs of rupees.

TEHELKA: Yashwant Sinha?
R.K. JAIN: Because it was my own work, not a party man.

R.K. JAIN: Why do you… you are not concerned. You see Yashwant Sinha is not a honest man.
TEHELKA: Haan.

R.K. JAIN: He takes money from everybody.
TEHELKA: Okay.

R.K. JAIN: Everybody in the sense whom... with whom he has a little rapport… good rapport with, he'll take money. It's not only that. In George Fernandes… there are certain difficult officers and difficult ministers are there.
TEHELKA: Okay.

R.K. JAIN: There you cannot approach him. But Ranjan Bhattacharjee can be... can be approached by 15 people.
TEHELKA: Hmmm.

R.K. JAIN: But… you see like Yashwant Sinha also can be approached by different…
TEHELKA: People.

R.K. JAIN: You should always need a man who is... because this will help you in the long run. tomorrow after three months you are well into the job; you have already paid money for the first job. Your second job will go very slowly. Because your channel is already opened through somebody. But you have got your one job done through Bangaru Laxman Next time you have another job then Yashwant Sinha will say, "My foot, bastard! Every time he goes to Bangaru Laxman what do I do? I am not getting my share." So it is always better to have a connection where you know that the minister…the man who is doing the job is getting the money.
TEHELKA: Okay.

R.K. JAIN: …Ten lakhs to five lakhs.
TEHELKA: Yeah, yeah.

R.K. JAIN: Five lakhs for a man who will take you there.
TEHELKA: Yeah.

R.K. JAIN: And one lakh give for the party. That's what we talked about. But for Yashwant Sinha if we clinch, it will be little more. Then it is better.
TEHELKA: How much more?

R.K. JAIN: It depends upon… if you have big work; if you have a small work, 15 should be all right. Let it go at that.
TEHELKA: No, this is not a big work. This is small work.
R.K. JAIN: Then let it go there.
TEHELKA: Ten lakhs?
R.K. JAIN: [nods his head]

TEHELKA: Plus five lakhs to that MP. Which MP?
R.K. JAIN: Rudi.

TEHELKA: Okay, done. In his home?
R.K. JAIN: Now, I have to tell him now, na? Now the last time we talked...

TEHELKA [interrupting]: Can we go with money inside his ministry? There's checking...
JAIN: He won't discuss about the money and all that in front of you. The money will be given separately.

TEHELKA: To that MP?
JAIN: The money will be given to the MP to be given to Yashwant Sinha.

TEHELKA: Haan, haan.
JAIN: The money given to Yashwant Sinha, you will come to know about at the meeting.

TEHELKA: Haan.
JAIN: Now if Yashwant Sinha will happily listen to your talk, offer you tea and coffee and talk about supporting you... when you come out from meeting him you know that.

JAIN [continuing]: …then naturally I will have to give him the money to the MP.
TEHELKA: Yeah, yeah.